FEDERAL ELECTION

[Vortex Life]

shall I start a wiki leaks thread??? some of the helo ops and UAV contractor ops are a great read... we are going to hear more on this..

[dome]

please do, any links to the main articles you mention?

[Vortex Life]

http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/afg/event ... 5n907.html

links are on the left if you are not up on TLA's it will be tough reading but there is alot here no wonder the world press is reporting it right down to fuel limits time on station (endurance) code names etc...

[Freewheel]

In case you, your family & friends weren't convinced they shouldn't vote Green (or labor in the Senate);


Take a look at paragraph 23.

http://greens.org.au/policies/sustainable-economy/economics

[Eric Hunt]

Para 22 on tax is pretty evil too:
1. Tax the f#ck out of business until they go out of business;
2. Remove any incentive to work hard, earn good money and invest in things like property;
3. When the hard worker dies, tax the f#ck out of his estate; then
4. When his destitute family goes onto welfare, make sure that they receive plenty of the tax revenue extracted from steps 1 to 3, less a percentage for the Greens Genius who thought it up..

Oh, where do they get such stupid ideas?

[Robinsondog]

Apologies to the mod if this is off line, someone sent it here today, live in hope I think.
RD

Gonorrhea Lectim
Information about Gonorrhea Lectim (Australian strain)

The Australian Centre for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim. It's pronounced "Gonna re-elect 'em," and it is a terrible affliction.

The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2007..but now most people after having been infected for the past 2 years are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is.

It's sad because Gonorrhea Lectim is easily cured with a new drug just coming on the market called Votumout (pronounced "vote-em-out"). You take the first dose in 2010 (HST variant) and the second dose in 2013 and simply don't engage in such behavior again; otherwise, it could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it.

Most major cities are already on top of this, like many in the Outback mining areas and apparently now in the media, with many more seeing the writing on the wall.

[mja]

Apologies to the mod if this is off line, someone sent it here today, live in hope I think.
RD

Gonorrhea Lectim
Information about Gonorrhea Lectim (Australian strain)

The Australian Centre for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of this old disease. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim. It's pronounced "Gonna re-elect 'em," and it is a terrible affliction.

The disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior involving putting your cranium up your rectum. Many victims contracted it in 2007..but now most people after having been infected for the past 2 years are starting to realize how destructive this sickness is.

It's sad because Gonorrhea Lectim is easily cured with a new drug just coming on the market called Votumout (pronounced "vote-em-out"). You take the first dose in 2010 (HST variant) and the second dose in 2013 and simply don't engage in such behavior again; otherwise, it could become permanent and eventually wipe out all life as we know it.

Most major cities are already on top of this, like many in the Outback mining areas and apparently now in the media, with many more seeing the writing on the wall.

Creative and probably very true!.......................

[Robinsondog]

Don't know how many saw ziggie Forrest of Fortescue Mining on sunday's ABC business Insiders with alan Kolher, but he basically reiterated the story, - Venture capital will be at risk with what they can find out about the new tax which is far less than they have asked for.

also another ABC mining story as per the cue below;
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/conten ... 970898.htm

[Doctor Spock]

I am old enuf to remember when our High Court ruled in favour of Native Title. WMC, BHP and others said it would be the end of mining in Australia, that it represented the biggest sovereign risk, that it was irresponsible to give these natives rights over their own land, etc. Instead mining grew twenty fold from then. I don't believe it. Just another scare campaign.

Twiggy likes to think he is an ordinary blue collar worker. He is not. Wearing his safety high vis uniform, carrying a placard and megaphone doesn't fool me. That's the domain of the working class and he is fooling no one trying to be one.

Ask him where he holidays and how he gets there. Venture capital will keep coming because we are great place to do business compared to Africa, South America and so on.

[Robinsondog]

I hear what you are saying Dr spock and to a degree I agree. However a mentor of mine, perhaps your age tells me that a large part of the exploration part of mining went belly up when that ruling was made and that it has only really recovered in the last few years after the sunset clause on land Rights Act up north for one reason, and I think the Federal Native Title Act 1998. I have heard of plenty of helicopter companies that had major work reductions. other activities in OZ have overtaken the demand for helicopter traffic.

He also says that the big miners just worked out how much to pay whom and that is how they sullied forth.

The federal Act helped that payout (or ransom) process he says.

Another mentor of mine perhaps older than you, says with some spite that he remembers well how when Whitlam (labor) came to power that exploration ventures in OZ shut down in 48 Hours. it was the straw that broke the airfast back according to him, half their fleet was grounded in the same time frame. I was a little boy in knickerbockers then and I well remember my parents wanting to emigrate to either NZ or Canada as a result of the election. There was only one problem, every one had the same idea and their businesses couldn't be sold to raise Venture-forth capital, hyuck hyuck.

[Doctor Spock]

The problem with mining is that it uses and depletes our natural resources. The core reason behind the RSPT and now the MRRT is that taxation revenue from mining has fallen as a share of profits from the major miners. These guys employ the very best accountants to minimise tax. Rio shifted its losses in Alcan in Canada to its profits in Australia. As well as taxing say, BHP or Rio 40% (coming in at profits that exceed the 10 year gov bond rate), the tax payers (ie you and I) provide a tax credit for 40% of the costs associated with getting the project up. Losses can't be transferrable. Seems fair to me. Ken Henry and 20 other economists like Allan Fels think it is fair.

Mining companies do NOT care about the environment. Ask the natives at Ok Tedi. Ask the folks living next to the Indonesian mud volcano caused by cracking of the earth's crust (it's on Google Earth). Ask the residents of Louisiana and what Deep Water Horizon is doing to their environment. Too many examples to list.

Having flown helicopters all over mining sites in Australia and overseas, take it from me, they don't care. The land rehab is appalling. Many other reasons, but you need to read AFR, WSJ or other good papers to see the rape and pillage these folks do to our environment.

[Robinsondog]

Sure Ok-Tedi and BP have a lot to answer for but a stamp on standards by responsible admin would fix that. As far as Fels (that drongo) and Henry (whom I am sure could not lie straight in bed) are concerned, we cannot bank on them. Keynes is far more palatable as his views are what I refer to that were taken up when he was just a glint in his fathers eyes when our Gov't used its stimulus package to build the Great Ocean road. Instead of now giving it to white goods manufacturing countries like China who used it to build Infrastructure assets.

We have the resources for sure, with which we can win the first battle, we have nothing else at the moment that we are allowed to use by the greenies, sorry misplaced communists. Tax the miners out of production they leave, simple. Site reparation or not.

Once the first battle is finished then we can sweep aside the halfwits and use our green power advantage, yes that's right our 40,000 years worldwide reserve of Uranium. Of course Canada and South Africa have large reserves too, but do we need to play second fiddle to them, No Sir. So keep the miners here where we can prosper in the future.

I have more serious issues with the rape and pillage of our fertile Queensland and Northern NSW hinterlands which are being used for the settling of southern migrants. Before long they will be wondering why we have to import food as they live on where before the stuff was grown. I also have a problem with us growing cotton, what waste of good pastoral land, the Murray needs to be run again and animal protein or wool should be our staple export not cotton or coal as you say.

It's a bit like climbing over a hill in the helicopter, use the power of the collective and stay up, utilise a bit of inertia with the cyclic and wallow into the scrub at the top.
RD

[Jamie]

I think you are on the wrong forum Doctor Spock?

You talk about tax minimisation and yet forget that this industry needs supporting because its not only employs massive workforces and helicopter pilots (including you) but keeps us out of recession. Lefties / Greenies like you conveniently forget the massive payroll and payg taxes that are forwarded to the ATO from this industry.

You harp on about environmental issues but are happy to work as a helicopter pilot supporting these non-environmental companies. The fact that you operate such an uneconomical vehicle is another contradiction to your obvious 'green' views.

I think if you practise what you preach you should give up your job and go to the Greenpeace forum where you belong and maybe chain yourself to a helicopter instead of flying one!