Chinook In NSW for fires
- hand in pants
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
If rfs don't talk up the death and destruction they don't get the funding. Look at the cost of having the Hurc and the DC10 sitting around doing nothing at huge expense "just in case". Millions of dollars heading overseas. Sky cranes I can understand, but big fixed wing aircraft that need big runways, no. A waste of my money.
Hand in Pants, I'm thinking, my god, that IS huge!!!!!!!!
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- Silver Wings
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
There is quite a lot of truth in that comment.
- havick
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
The herc is actually quite a good machine with a great drop pattern, the DC10 not so much.
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- hand in pants
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
Okay, there is a huge fire (death and destruction rfs style) bearing down on a town in central NSW, who do you send, Herc, DC10 or ghost busters?????
None of the above, you send boots on the ground and helicopters or the air tractors, something that can land almost anywhere or can pick up water from a creek not passenger carrying aeroplanes.
None of the above, you send boots on the ground and helicopters or the air tractors, something that can land almost anywhere or can pick up water from a creek not passenger carrying aeroplanes.
Hand in Pants, I'm thinking, my god, that IS huge!!!!!!!!
- havick
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Have you seen the herc or DC10 drop for yourself? I have seen both whilst sitting in a 212 at the time, the Herc was really effective however the DC10 you could barely see the drop line at all.
Obviously I'm biased towards helicopters but credit where credit due.
Obviously I'm biased towards helicopters but credit where credit due.
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HIP, I couldn't agree more but who we send and who the RFS send are two very different things.
The media, pushed by the PR departments of Coulson, Erickson, et al, would crucify those who make decisions at the top of the the RFS. You would hope that the RFS understand that not everything they are told is true however public servants aren't known for their critical thinking.
IMHO, it's all a massive smokescreen, if anybody believes that aircraft prevent death and destruction, they're sadly mistaken. It's cold fronts that prevent death and destruction, the aircraft just give the guys on the ground a bit of belief that they're not alone.
I suppose I can't be too critical though, many of us make a living out of this smokescreen!
The media, pushed by the PR departments of Coulson, Erickson, et al, would crucify those who make decisions at the top of the the RFS. You would hope that the RFS understand that not everything they are told is true however public servants aren't known for their critical thinking.
IMHO, it's all a massive smokescreen, if anybody believes that aircraft prevent death and destruction, they're sadly mistaken. It's cold fronts that prevent death and destruction, the aircraft just give the guys on the ground a bit of belief that they're not alone.
I suppose I can't be too critical though, many of us make a living out of this smokescreen!
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"IMHO, it's all a massive smokescreen, if anybody believes that aircraft prevent death and destruction, they're sadly mistaken. It's cold fronts that prevent death and destruction, the aircraft just give the guys on the ground a bit of belief that they're not alone."
Well said.
Well said.
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- Silver Wings
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
I don't think that is quite right. Admitadly the boots on the ground, rain or the ocean put out fires in Australia. But aircraft used within their capabilities and given an achievable goal are well worth the money spent. It's all a team effort.
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
DC10 clip (Its not great ).....But some of the assets that got a start today ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usOBMQ3ZlBU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usOBMQ3ZlBU
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
No longer fiction! It was being used on the fires in NE Vic today. Pictured on Facebook in Albury - N947CH.
https://www.facebook.com/river1057/posts/1004532679589206
https://www.facebook.com/river1057/posts/1004532679589206
- FerrariFlyer
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
I know it's an innocent misquote however, with a cruise speed of 545km/hr as listed on the Facebook page....that's just shy of 300kts!!! Very impressive for responding to a fire.
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
Chinook isn't operational yet. From what I was told it was assembled at Essendon and now on its way to Sydney. All the rest of its support gear is due in couple of days and then its good to go - wherever its needed.
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FerrariFlyer wrote:I know it's an innocent misquote however, with a cruise speed of 545km/hr as listed on the Facebook page....that's just shy of 300kts!!! Very impressive for responding to a fire.
"Thor" is in fact the name Coulson gave to one of their Hercs. So I believe people have been confused with the picture of the chinook being in the feed.
Plus, if you re-read the piece, the author never mentions the Chinnook cruising at 545km/h......A C130 however will.
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NZHelo, your aerosexual knowledge is duly noted.
Are you back down this way for work again?
Are you back down this way for work again?
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
I only recently dusted off my old Qantas tote bag. Pleasantly found my arrival and departure journal donned on the old anorak and towelling hat as if it was '89.
Im a little further south now buddy.....better traffic pattern
Im a little further south now buddy.....better traffic pattern
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- Silver Wings
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
Yep , the big tandem in YSCN. Nosed into the hangar. Probably getting its' radios sorted I say.
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- Silver Wings
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
Helitack 279 is in Vic. Has been down the very sth & today on standby in central Vic.
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- havick
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
looks to be sitting at Mansfield backfilling the S61 which is currently attached on the Lorne fire, for the hot couple of days we're having down here in VIC.
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- Silver Wings
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Re: Chinook In NSW for fires
Anyone have or know of any pics of it in action?
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