A weighty question

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A weighty question

Postby Hunterz » Mon Jan 13 2020, 23:38

Howdy all,

I'm a big framed lad starting to think about starting a career in Rotary. I'm 6'3" and pretty big across the shoulders, at my absolute fittest the lowest I got to was 95kg and was looking pretty unhealthy.

My healthy weight seems to hover around the 100-105kg mark, and even then I'm looking pretty lean.

Am I screwed? From everything I've read entry level jobs are looking for max 80-85kgs to fly an R44. I totally understand and respect that is the engineering specs and I don't have an issue with that.

What I am curious about though is there any other options for starting in the industry that isn't R44's in tourism?

Are my career hopes dashed before I've started?

I'd rather know now than drop 90k to find out later on.
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Re: A weighty question

Postby Icefather » Tue Jan 14 2020, 02:39

It’s not impossible, just a lot harder. I’m 100-105kg lowest I got was 95kg.

I got a start as a CoJo in a multi.

It’s not impossible just the opportunities are a lot slimmer... (excuse the pun)
It’s definitely easier if your lighter, but it depends on what you want to do. If your dream is a R44 in the outback then maybe slightly difficult,
I know of bigger guys than me who have got starts some started in Ag, some similar to me.

However don’t get me started on watching feather weights rolling 200l Fuel drums...


It’s a big investment with not really a lot of quick payoffs.


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Re: A weighty question

Postby hand in pants » Tue Jan 14 2020, 04:51

Sorry, finding difficult to take this post seriously.

Firstly, how tall you are really doesn't come into it, unless you're 7' or something stupid.
Next, bald, really, there are no hairstyle requirements in any job that I know of.
Now the question of your life expectancy, you're having chemo, you must have cancer of some sort. Your chemo treatment must be knocking you around to some extent. Do you really think you could go to an aviation doctor and get a medical certificate. You can't fly without one.
Exactly who said that entry level jobs will only go to those under 85kg. I've be in the industry for 31 years and never been under 100kg.
Your chances of getting into the off-shore or EMS industry (co-pilot position) right out of flight school with 107 hours are ZERO.

So, with respect, you need to talk to someone at a flying school who will tell some actual facts about the industry. So far you have been given some very ordinary advice. Especially about the health requirements seeing as you are hinting you have cancer.
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Re: A weighty question

Postby Chang739 » Tue Jan 14 2020, 05:36

I think he was making a joke at looking so skinny when he was at 95kg, not that he actually undergoes chemo.

Also nothing about being bald?

I believe an R22 has a per person weight limit of 105kg, so you might need to do your license in an R44 or alternative, which means your training will cost more overall but I guess the plus side is you'll be more favorable for hiring with those hours instead.

Can't answer your main question though
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Re: A weighty question

Postby hand in pants » Tue Jan 14 2020, 06:20

Original post mentioned being bald and the fact he didn't want to drop 100k on a licence.

Making jokes about life expectancy and chemo is in pretty poor taste.

I for one don't find it funny at all.

All in all a dumb post for a first one.

And I don't mean to be picky but max seat weight for the R22 is 109kg.
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Re: A weighty question

Postby Chang739 » Tue Jan 14 2020, 07:25

Thanks for the correct number, I knew it was somewhere in that ball park
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Re: A weighty question

Postby Yakking » Tue Jan 14 2020, 09:23

I don't think the maximum seat weight will be the issue in an R22. It'll be the combined weight of instructor and student in regards to;
a) Remaining in CofG
b) How much fuel you'll be able to carry (particularly when entering your XC training).

Long story short; you can still have a career in this industry. Many have done it before you. It just won't be as easy for you as it is for others (in saying that, it's not easy for anyone). You'll just have to be a little ingenious and creative with your career path until you get into machines where it doesn't really matter (eg; maybe get a 206 endorsement early on in the piece and try get into the turbines a little earlier than others).

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Re: A weighty question

Postby Agrimuster1 » Tue Jan 14 2020, 11:45

It would be difficult to get a job given the weight. Not impossible though. Most R44s I've come across have a useful load of around 430kg so aim for tourist gigs that do short flights over long ones. learn in a B 47 or a H269 for 2 reasons 1 you will learn more and 2 you'll be a lot safer. Although if you can afford to do it all in a R44 then that will help land the probable 1st job.

Don't forget the 1st job will be bloody difficult no matter your weight.
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Re: A weighty question

Postby ALS » Wed Jan 15 2020, 01:08

R22 max legal seat weight is 109kg. Like the MTOW of 622kg, it's non-negotiable. A lot of flight schools will push you onto a different machine at anything over 100kg simply because they don't have any 50kg instructors and with 22s weighing around 400kg dry and burning 30-35 litres an hour, you kinda need some kgs left for lesson fuel and the mandatory reserve fuel.

R44 max seat weight is 130kg but you need all the spare weight you can to carry three paying passengers and fuel while keeping the performance to fly in the hot areas many tourism operations are located in. Hence most operators want you to be at the 80-85kg mark.

The turbine tip sounds like an easy fix but the reality is there are very few aviation insurance companies in Australia and I've heard from several sources that the minimum any of them will accept before they cover you in a turbine is 250 hours. I know of guys flying turbine with less than that but they and/or the operator are rolling the dice on the cost of a melted engine every time they start up. That's the very reason that VET Fee Help has created a glut of CPLs with 110-130 hours and a 44 endorsement that are all struggling to find the job that will get them to 250 hours.

Minimums I've heard of getting hired for a co-pilot gig were CPLH with 200 hours, HUET, and a pass in the IREX (often also a pass in at least ATPL-level Human Factors). That was some years back though and opportunities like that seem to be very rare these days.

Minimum you'll spend on your CPL is $60k if you can find a school with a featherweight instructor and it's all in 22s, of if you find a school running 47s. Most people want to graduate with 20 hours in a 44 though as although it's legal to fly passengers with only an endorsement, Frank Robinson suggested 20 hours as the minimum before taking passengers in the manual. I don't know many operators willing to be sitting in the courtroom explaining why their new pilot was carrying passengers with less hours than Frank thought was appropriate. Those final 20 hours as the second aircraft type allowed on your 105 hour license will add another $4-5k for the difference between 22/47 hourly rate and that of the 44.

Put it on VET Fee though and you'll be spending $100k+ to be in the same boat as many other CPLH graduates in Australia right now.
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Re: A weighty question

Postby Combustion Chamber » Wed Jan 15 2020, 03:21

Mate,

Just go for it. When I started my training I was 95KG and never had issues training in an R22 or even getting my first job.
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