Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

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Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby Sparrow » Sat Sep 28 2013, 05:01

I see that CareFlight Group Queensland has recently begun recruitment for an experienced Air Crewman Instructor for a nine month fixed term position based on the Gold Coast.

This role is currently being advertised at http://www.careflight.expr3ss.com.au.

https://www.expr3ss.com/jobDetails.php? ... t=9e88fb25
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby skywire » Tue Oct 1 2013, 04:00

Interesting how they make their own cert IV a prerequisite.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby Torquer » Tue Oct 1 2013, 11:05

Are you suggesting that because a limited amount of RTO's deliver that qualification that it somehow compromises the job requirements? It's not 'theirs', it's a national qualification that is included within the AVI08 Aviation Training Package, which the Careflight RTO holds on scope of registration.

And as far as stipulating it as a minimum qualification requirement, it's an entirely valid and legitimate way to reduce incoming training burden, employ a new crew member with a known standard of training and significantly minimises risk to the hirer. If I was in their position, it's exactly what I would stipulate as well.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby skywire » Wed Oct 2 2013, 02:35

Geez mate, relax.
Whilst there are a few small businesses that offer the cert IV, CF is by far the most dominate. So it's not the "their" qualification, but it's almost effectively "their" qualification.

Entitled to require it they are, but they're clearly trying to make it the new standard for aircrewman. This is obviously because it'll increase the number of students on the course that they run.

A shifty albeit perfectly legal business tactic.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby Oogle » Wed Oct 2 2013, 03:05

but they're clearly trying to make it the new standard for aircrewman


The Cert IV TAE (training and assessment) is a requirement for the aircrewman INSTRUCTOR because he INSTRUCTS!

Cert IV Aviation - Aircrewman for all crewies?? Good idea if you ask me. Pilots licences are about to go to a competency based system for all pilot training/ratings (CASR Part 61) why not the aircrewman?
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby helicrewman » Wed Oct 2 2013, 04:44

Oogle wrote:
but they're clearly trying to make it the new standard for aircrewman


The Cert IV TAE (training and assessment) is a requirement for the aircrewman INSTRUCTOR because he INSTRUCTS!

Cert IV Aviation - Aircrewman for all crewies?? Good idea if you ask me. Pilots licences are about to go to a competency based system for all pilot training/ratings (CASR Part 61) why not the aircrewman?


It already is competency based.
Check ride at job interview and a 29.11

How does a Cert IV prove your competency?
More bureaucracy for absolutely no reason.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby Torquer » Sun Oct 13 2013, 02:15

Your totally right. How could successful completion of the following core and elective competencies possibly compare with a subjective assessment and meeting the undetermined requirements of rubbish legislation?

AVIE3003B - Complete a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM)
AVIE4001B - Maintain aircraft radio communications
AVIF2014A - Undertake aircraft underwater escape and survival
AVIF3005B - Maintain the safety of people and aircraft Maintain the safety of people and aircraft
AVIF3006B - Respond to abnormal and emergency situations within the aircraft
AVIF3016A - Marshal aircraft
AVIF4001B - Manage human factors in aircraft flight
AVIJ4002B - Conduct quality control operations related to refuelling/defuelling aircraft
AVIL3003B - Plan an aircraft load
AVIW3006B - Refuel aircraft
AVIW3024A - Perform wireman duties
AVIW3025A - Complete aircraft_equipment pre- and post-flight actions
AVIW3026A - Conduct night aided vision aviation operations
AVIW3027A - Deliver pyrotechnics and hand held stores
AVIW4028A - Manage aircraft sensor systems
AVIY3052A - Conduct Helicopter Landing Site and Unprepared Helicopter Landing Site operations
AVIY4051A - Conduct external load-lift operations
AVIY4053A - Perform aircrewman cockpit duties
AVIY4054A - Conduct hoisting operations
AVIY4055A - Conduct airborne extraction operations
AVIY4056A - Conduct airborne rappelling operations
AVIZ1005B - Maintain basic situation awareness in the aviation workplace
BSBMGT401A - Show leadership in the workplace
HLTFA201A - Provide basic emergency life support
HLTFA404A - Apply advanced resuscitation techniques
PUAFIR209B - Work safely around aircraft
TLIA107C - Secure cargo
TLIE207C - Estimate/calculate mass, area and quantify dimensions
TLIO207D - Follow security procedures

Absolutely NO reason to adopt a set of workplace standards to determine minimum job requirements. None. And you wonder why the broader Australian VET sector consider aviation training within Australia a joke.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby helicrewman » Tue Oct 15 2013, 10:40

1.This would be a qualification based system, not competency based system.

2. How are all the practical skill based units you mentiond assessed without being subjective?

3. A multitude of sectors concider qualifications an ineffective way of assessing an applicants ability to actually proform the position for which they apply.

4. Lists are so compelling.
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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby haroldthehelicopter » Tue Oct 15 2013, 10:57

helicrewman wrote:1.This would be a qualification based system, not competency based system.

2. How are all the practical skill based units you mentiond assessed without being subjective?

3. A multitude of sectors concider qualifications an ineffective way of assessing an applicants ability to actually proform the position for which they apply.


1. Much like a pilot's CPL...... welcome to regulatory licensing crewies (well almost, but it's a good start).

2. Easy. Competent / Not Yet Competent. It's a really easy way to provide assessment.

3. The aviation sector doesn't, hence all the licensed pilots you sit behind.

Attain the qualification, then be "subjectively" assessed by the potential employee..... sounds like a normal profession to me.

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Re: Air Crewman Instructor - 9 month fixed term position

Postby helicrewman » Tue Oct 15 2013, 11:17

There is more than one way to obtain a skill set. Putting a formal qualification as a mandatory requirement reduces the path ways and puts up an unnecessary financial hurdle.

If formal training does not grantee competency, what is the point?

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